Saturday, February 27, 2010

here come the oathkeepers.

the defenders of the REPUBLIC.

These lunatics who are supposedly sane, professional mena and women are going to march on Washington DC in September, and en masse commit the federal crime of intending to commit the act of treason against the United States en masse by some wierd promise to lay down their arms and not listen to the first black president of the united states if he gives them a certain set of orders. These people claim to be firefighters, police and from all ranges of the military navy marines whatever.

Frankly I think they should all be discharged on grounds of mental incompetency.

This is what regimes do in third world countries.

could you imagine Canadas army refusing to listen to the premier if he told them to comntrol a gun toting population, becasue they didnt like the fact that Canada has universal health care?

Yep. Its all about thye tea baggers, folks. Plus they are afraid a POTUS is about to start the new world order.

Se lets check out this webby sitey thingy shall we? ok thhn, u betcha.

heres the Oathkeepers Oath. Um, ok. lets see if Treason is against the law in the United States and what would constitute treason in the US.
Since these guys have a list of unlawful acts a President might ask them say to disarm a whole group of vigilanties with guns screaming through the streets of ALabama looking for African Americans to hang. If the president said "Hey the situation is dire in there, go in there, make arrests, disarm the group, ect., these guys would not do that. If a state dicided to just go nuts and decide its free day to shoot all mexican americans, get your guns and lets go, these guys are not going to stop them. Why? Becasue opne of their oaths is we will not disarm the American people, and another one is we will not do a lot of things. here is the list c and pd from the site:


Click here to read full length version.

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

This is very interesting. I am finding it hard to really understand what these guys are about. From what I can gather, this came about agfter Katrina. So the Bush administration, that did such a terrible job of caring for the populace, had from what I can gather essentially barricaded people inside new orleans and wouldnt let anybody out. Well, that was Bush. Now we have Obama. For one thing he would never do that. But are there other incidences where the laying down of weapons may spell disaster for unarmed american citizens against roving bands of armed american citizens or mob mentalities?

Such things occurred during the civil rights movement. The feds stepped in into several states where mobs were lynching black poeple, and the police and others were abusing unarmed American citizens, and allowing armed american citizens to threaten, harass, beat and kill them while they essentially "laid down their arms", becasue they stated they would not put down the mobs.

So this could be a good thing in some ways, and a very bad thing in others. The interpretation is too broad.

While I am happy that the oath keepers will protect the poeple from being put into concentration campos and detention centers, and protect us from military tribunals, I am a bit worried about the part where they will not opbey orders for a state of emergency or go into a state where all hell has broken loose and restore order. That really worries me. so lets find out some more, and see what this is really all about.

Now in my opinion Blackwater are the bad bad guys. I would trust a us military guy over a blackwater guy anyday. But I need a hell of a lot more clarification top understand what these rules are, becasue it sounds to me like they arent going to protect people. I mean I would want them out there doing whatever, becasue if they dont maybe these blackwater guys will come in and doi the things they refuse to do and then we are all really screwed. Its confusing. SO I am still searching on the website for some kind of clear understanding. lets see what I can find. Heres something:

About OathKeepers

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, peace officers, and firefighters who will fulfill the oath we swore to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.

Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law and deprive them of their ancient right to jury trial.

We Oath Keepers have drawn a line in the sand. We will not “just follow orders.”

Our motto is “Not on our watch!”

If you, the American people, are forced to once again fight for your liberty in another American Revolution, you will not be alone. We will stand with you.

There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But you can rest assured that many others in the military do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution, and understand what that means.

The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers. We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops. To win that battle, Oath Keepers will use written and video testimony of active duty military, veterans (especially combat vets), and peace officers to reach, teach, and inspire our brothers in arms in the military and police to fulfill their oaths and stand as guardians of the Republic.

If you are currently in the military, are a veteran, or are a peace officer, please submit your written and/or video testimony on your oath, so you can help us win that battle for hearts and minds. Your submission may be anonymous.

Guardians of the Republic, fulfill your oath. Join us.

(read a longer description here)
What We Are Not

We are Not advocating or promoting the overthrow of any government whether local, state or national. We want our governments to return to the Constitutional Republic which the Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution defined and instituted.

We are Not advocating or promoting violence towards any organization, group or person. We are determined to Keep our Oath to support and defend the Constitution.

We are not advocating or promoting the removal of any person from his or her elected office. We want all elected persons to live up to their Oath to “support and defend the Constitution” as it is written or to leave of their own volition.

We are not advocating or promoting that anyone in the Judicial Branch be removed or replaced. We want the Justices in the Judicial Branch to follow the Constitution as written without interpretation.

We are not advocating or promoting any particular form of government other than the Constitutional Republic which the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution defined and instituted.

We are not advocating or promoting the rewriting of the Constitution nor are we asking for an Amendment thereto. We are insisting on the Constitution being Enforced as it is written.

We are Not advocating or promoting any act or acts of aggression against any organization or person for any
reason including, but not limited to; race, religion, national origin, political affiliation, gender or sexual orientation.

We hope for a return to a Constitutional Republic free from fear and hatred. We hate only tyranny.

We are Oath Sworn Americans who want the Constitution returned to its legal and rightful place, intact, as the ultimate Law of the Land.
About OathKeeper Founder Stewart Rhodes

Stewart is the founder and Director of Oath Keepers. He served as a U.S. Army paratrooper until disabled in a rough terrain parachuting accident during a night jump.

He is a former firearms instructor and former member of Rep. Ron Paul’s DC staff.

Stewart graduated from Yale Law School in 2004, where his paper “Solving the Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status” won Yale’s Miller prize for best paper on the Bill of Rights. He assisted teaching U.S. military history at Yale, was a Yale Research Scholar, and is writing a book on the dangers of applying the laws of war to the American people.

Stewart currently writes the monthly Enemy at the Gates column for S.W.A.T. Magazine, and has written for The Warrior, the journal of Gerry Spence’s Trial Lawyer’s College; for; and for JPFO.

Stewart has appeared on many radio shows including G. Gordon Liddy, Alex Jones, The Power Hour, Devvy Kidd, Spy Chips author Katherine Albrecht, and many more.

Stewart was invited to speak at Stanford University on unlawful enemy combatant status, and teaches classes on the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

OK somehow? I am STILL NOT CONVINCED. It still sounds a bit spooky to me. But I will delve deeper into it. I mean if they march on washington, demand president obama to follow the constitution with some sort of ammendment that they want to it and he tells them no, and they start storming the whitehouse and start shooting poeple im gonna get real freakedout. I mean I cant really tell what they really are about.

But maybe its just like the tea bagger movement. except with guns. But wait no, they are laying DOWN their guns. Ok so they wont be shooting anybody. But will they stop other poeple fgrom shooting? I think so. But I cant tell. it just really isnt clear.

Did the Oath Keepers exist in the Bush administration? I wonder if they existed in the Reagan Administration? Did they march in Washington and threaten to lay doen their arms if given an unlawful order during ANY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION? Nope, I dont think so.

So now I am kinda wondering...hmmmmmmmmm. President Obama is a man of color....hmmmmmmm...hes a Democrat.....hmmmmmmmm..........

I will give them all the benefit of the doubt for now. I gotta read up more on this though. Now when I see someone I am gonna ask them if they are Oath keepers or not. If I meet one that is I am going to find out just what this is all about. I urge you to do the same thing.

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