Thursday, December 17, 2009

What the HECK do those sayings mean? Class is in session

Anonymous said...
What does "Sarcasm is the wine of Irony" mean?

If you have to ask, its way over your head.

I understand that it is way over my head. That's why I'm asking what it means. I don't know what it means and I want to know. So I'm asking. Please tell me without insulting me further.

December 17, 2009 1:07 PM

OK that was a post to me on one of Joans blogs.

SO I have decided, in the generosity of the  Christmas Spirit to attempt to educate yet once again.

"Sarcasm is the wine of Irony."

First ya gotta understand what Sarcasm and irony are. Then ya gotta assume you know what wine is. Its something you get drunk in. Or one thing gets soaked with wine. Got it yet?

Irony is full of,soaked up with/drunk with sarcasm. It literally means that sarcasm is the biggest component of irony.

Ok, so what is sarcasm and irony?


the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
(esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
Socratic irony.
dramatic irony.
an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
the incongruity of this.
an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.

1495–1505; < L īrōnīa < Gk eirōneía dissimulation, sarcasm, understatement, equiv. to eírōn-eia -y 3
a dissembler +

1, 2. Irony, sarcasm, satire indicate mockery of something or someone. The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs. In the figure of speech, emphasis is placed on the opposition between the literal and intended meaning of a statement; one thing is said and its opposite implied, as in the comment, “Beautiful weather, isn't it?” made when it is raining or nasty. Ironic literature exploits, in addition to the rhetorical figure, such devices as character development, situation, and plot to stress the paradoxical nature of reality or the contrast between an ideal and actual condition, set of circumstances, etc., frequently in such a way as to stress the absurdity present in the contradiction between substance and form. Irony differs from sarcasm in greater subtlety and wit. In sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflection, whereas satire and irony, arising originally as literary and rhetorical forms, are exhibited in the organization or structuring of either language or literary material. Satire usually implies the use of irony or sarcasm for censorious or critical purposes and is often directed at public figures or institutions, conventional behavior, political situations, etc.
ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes. It may be used in an indirect manner, and have the form of irony, as in “What a fine musician you turned out to be!” or it may be used in the form of a direct statement, “You couldn't play one piece correctly if you had two assistants.” The distinctive quality of


Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut
Date: 1550
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm

SO you see, the connection between Sarcasm (The drug, the alchohol, the soaking in of to Sarcasm, is what I am speaking of you cannot have one without the other.

Now in the term of

"The battlefields of idiots are the playgrounds of geniuses", I made this one up sort of thinking of a room full of people at a community meeting. One side is trying to debate the issues intelligently passionantly and with logical thinking. The others are just either not listening, bored, falling asleep, making stupid comments, or using inaccurate data, or status quo or racist assumptions to make their case. These, in my book are the idiots. They vehemently defend their position like it is written in stone, but give no concrete reasoning as to why we must adhere to it, by preponderance of any evidence thereof.

Then you have the geniuses, who are pretty much enjoying just knocking down the arguments with facts, eye witness accounts or logical conclusions. One mans battleground is another mans playground.

What does any of this have to do with Hawaiian philosophy? Plenty. Hawaiians clearly understood Socratic thought and theiry when they used riddles, games, poetry contests and challenges as substitutions for battles. This was mostly done during times of famine, or Makahiki when it was important to either not engage in violence, or lose as few healthy individuals in battle where land claims or disputes arose. This is also where the incredibly intense and genius use of kauna comes into play as well. The incredible verbal discourse and mental capacity of Hawaiians to remember literally hundreds of thousands of words at a time, or to on the spot shoot back with sarcasm and irony at riddles and barbs is sheer genius in my book.

Ok, class dismissed.


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